Shared Fruits of a Conversation with a Zionist

If Muslim and Christian Palestinians proved to be descendents of ancient Judea's population, would an Israeli state give them back their lands or does the land have to be occupied by a Jewish majority?

The Zionist homie said "no, they don't get their land back zionism is a Jewish state for Jews":

This question clarified for us that Zionist claims on Palestinian lands comes from Jewishness rather than historical residency on the land.

I think the tough sell for Zionists trying to understand why Palestinian liberation doesn’t mean the eradication of Jews, is because it involves a heavy realization. That the Zionist project of colonial settlement, was by design built on unjust grounds. The argument that Israel and its cosmopolitan citizens settling on the land of Palestine is the outcome of a birthright to inhabit this land is not the same claim as their birthright to displace, cleanse and establish a colony in Palestinian homes. Yet, it’s opportunistically treated as the same by the Zionist ideology. For a Zionist trying to understand why the military occupation of the West Bank and siege of Gaza are fucked up, this realization involves denouncing the legitimacy of a greater Israel whose establishment through conquest is divine and just. To accept that Israeli settlers, military and laws on Palestinian lands outlined by the 1948 and 1967 borders, is wrong, also means acknowledging that the colonial ideology of Zionism that underpins an Israeli state on any Palestinian land, is also wrong. It’s a troublesome realization that you’ve been an occupier and murderer rather than a chosen child of God. The borders of 1948 and 67 are damage control of the original acrimony of British occupation and division of Palestine into two states. They’re not meant as a challenging obstacle Zionists have to overcome to achieve the final solution of Zionism, a greater Jewish state built on top Palestinian homes and culture, on Lebanese, Syrian and Jordanian land as well. 

My professor told me it’s counterproductive to call Netenyahu stupid, or evil, or insane. While they might be accurate descriptions, it takes away from the very real logic of domination, colonization, and extermination of his genocidal operation. This fucked with my sleep last night, but it seems Israeli targets know exactly who they’re shooting at. Why wouldn’t they, the IOF’s precision technology is unmatched. 57 journalists, medics, doctors, professors, 75% of 13,000 martyrs were children, women and the elderly. Their target is surely Hamas, they know very well however, that Hamas is an idea, it’s the call to liberation for people in Gaza. Journalists report the truth of oppression, domination, and murder. Medics sustain the population, keep survivors of these attacks alive, their stories and rage against the occupation alive. Professors give hope to Gazans, and expands their realm of possibility, giving rise to future generations of medics, teachers, journalists. An educated population of Gaza doesn’t go down well with an occupation justified by the dehumanization of the irrational Palestinian ‘animal’. This one really hit, they’re targeting schools, and dominantly children. 178 children are dying daily since Oct 7th. Probably because children are their biggest threat. Hamas is an idea, and it’s fuelled by younger generations of Palestinians who grow up with resentment in their heart for all the family they lost to the occupation, the freedom they lost. They’re targeting children because they know very well these children will grow up to fight for their freedom. Their mothers are dying to prevent future generations of Palestinians being born. The elderly are killed to snuff out the memory of a free Palestine. ‘They teach their children to hate Jews, to hate Israel’, no you obtuse fucks, you’re fuelling their desire for rebellion against the occupying power, all by your Zionist selves. This is a war against Hamas, but in the Israeli popular conscience, pronouncedly during this campaign, Hamas IS every Palestinian in Gaza, it IS the hospitals that keep them alive, it IS the truth of occupation and genocide.

Anti-semetism is not Anti-Zionism

Eichman, one of the chief architects of Nazi institutionalized terrorism, was paradoxically invested in the Zionist project and deeply involved in “the organization for illegal immigration into Palestine” (58). In Hertzl’s Der Judenstaat outlining the enterprise of Zionism, Herztl considered two potential homes for the Jewish state. Argentina, “one of the most fertile countries in the world” or Palestine, “the ever-memorable historic home” where the Jewish company would provide “an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism”(Herztl 96). Ever since the early conceptual days of the Zionist movement, the Hebrew verbs le-hitnahel and le-hityashev, “to settle” and “to colonize” were used “to describe the takeover of land in Palestine'' (Pappe 21). Herzl claimed the “name of the settlement was to be ‘New Palestine’" and it was to be “the permanent property of a colonization company created for the purpose” (Herzl 63). 

Equating anti-semitism with anti-zionism is anti-Semitic. Eichman was an anti-semetic zionist, Hertzl was an atheist zionist, and lots of lovely Jews are anti-zionist and very much still semetic. The Israeli state shields itself with its Jewish community at their expense. No world spectator can challenge the moral fabric of an Israeli state without challenging the moral concience of Jews?? No way.

The Haganah and Hamas

The Haganah was a growing militant and civic organization of organized Jews in Palestine under the Ottoman and British Mandates. It would later be known as the Jewish defense forces of Palestine prior to 1945, and then the Israeli Defense Forces after 1948. They answered to the World Zionist Organization. This organizations housed the Zionist Congress founded in 1897 by Theodore Hertzl. It’s proceedings were held in Basel Switzerland. The Zionist project was in the making years before the inception of the state of Israel in 1948. The Congress was in charge of organizing mass Jewish European and North African immigration into Palestine which would later diversify its immigration routes. Prior to the official establishment of Israel in 48, the Hagannah had already begun the process of guerrilla warfare against native Palestinians to conquer and settle the land they were sharing with Jews long before and under British land laws. On the night of Yom Kippur in 46 under the command of the deputy chief of staff of the Haganah Yosef Avidar, the JDP overcame British forces and established 11 settlements in Nagev. At first British forces were their main targets as they were in charge of the land and the protection of the Muslim, Jewish and Christian Palestinian inhabitants of the land. Various acts of domestic terrorism were used, famously the bombing of the British government headquarters at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, “raids on British air force bases at Qastina and near Kfar Syrkin, liberation of Jewish prisoners from the prison in Acre, and sabotage of the railroad repair workshop near Haifa.” When the British mandate was released over Palestine and the new found state of Israel was established, their new target was Palestinian mayors and villages. Palestinian forces and Arab countries responded to these violent acts of dispossession in what amounted in the Arab-Israeli war of 47-49. In 1948, 750,000 Palestinians were displaced from their homes, between 8 and 15,000 military and civilian lives were lost. The immediate goal of the Haganah was to cleanse homes, villages and lands of Palestinians. It was this effort that freed up space for the incoming waves of Jewish immigrants escaping the Holocaust after WW2 seeking haven from European or Arab persecution in the newly founded Jewish homeland. It might be fruitful to note that Arab persecution of Jewish inhabitants was widely dormant until the contentious first Nakba. 

Following this information my homie rushed at the fact the Israeli state was founded with violence and terror "But dude, if you were escaping Nazi Germany, being displace, put into camps, tortured humiliated and dehumanized, wouldn't you do anything you could for freedom?" I said I would, and followed with "now do you see how far a people are willing to go to liberate themselves from tyrants? Hamas isn't all too different after all."